| Author | Topic: Add: Jack Hall | |
| Please note, Ed's post (the second post) is the "add". | ||
| Jon Freeman | Posted - 27 Sep 02 - 06:01 pm | |
A big favourite of mine ( although the version I do is attempt is the "Paddy Riely Irish" Sam Hall version... Trying to add one from notes from a record this time to see what happens nd what coments are made... My name it is Jack Hall chimney sweep, chimney sweep, My name is Jack Hall, chimney sweep. My name is is Jack Hall and I've robbed both great and small. And my neck shall pay for all, when I die, when I die, And my neck shall pay for all when I die. All on the King's Highway, night and day, night and day, All on the King's Highway, night and day. All on the King's Highway, I've robbed lords nd ladies gay And my neck shall pay for all, when I die, when I die, And my neck shall pay for all when I die. I've one hundred pounds in store, that's no joke, that's no joke, I've one hundred pounds in store, that's no joke. I've one hundred pounds in store and I'll rob for hundreds more And my neck shall pay for all, when I die, when I die, And my neck shall pay for all when I die. At the trial they told me, you shall die, you shall die, At the trial they told me, you shall die. And they flung me into gaol where I'll drink no more strong ale And my neck shall pay for all, when I die, when I die, And my neck shall pay for all when I die. They drove me up Tyburn Hill, in a cart, in cart, They drove me up Tyburn Hill in a cart. They drove me up Tyburn Hill, that's where I made my will, The best of friends must part, fare you well, fare you well, The best of friends mut part, fare you well. Up the ladder I did grope, that's no joke, that's no joke, Up the ladder I did grope, that's no joke. Up the ladder I did grope and the hangman fixed the rope. But never a word said I, coming down, coming down, But never a word said I, coming down. Source: A Country Life, Walter Pardon. Topic 12TS392 Notes. From the liner notes: Of John Hall, Frank Kidson, the poineer of folkong study had this to sy:- Laws L5: abc... big question... hope to have my record player restored next week. It would have to be my own transcription from the record but I think if I take my time with it (and with help from Pip who reads music) I can do a reasonable job. Edited By Jon Freeman - 9/28/2002 11:27:52 AM | ||
| Ed | Posted - 30 Nov 02 - 07:54 pm | |
Jack Hall O my name it is Jack Hall, chimney sweep, chimney sweep O my name it is Jack Hall, chimney sweep My name it is Jack Hall and I've robbed both great and small And my neck shall pay for all when I die, when I die And my neck shall pay for all when I die I have candles, lily-white, hanging high, hanging high I have candles, lily-white, hanging high I've candles, lily-white, and I stole them all by night And they'll fill my room with light till I die, till I die And they'll fill my room with light till I die I have twenty bullocks in store, that's not all, that's not all I have twenty bullocks in store, that's not all I've twenty bullocks in store and I'm up for twenty more Every rogue shall have his lot, so shall I, so shall I Every rogue shall have his lot, so shall I I have furnished all my rooms, lot by lot, lot by lot I have furnished all my rooms, lot by lot I've furnished all my rooms with black brushes and black brooms And besides a chimney pot which I stole, which I stole And besides a chimney pot which I stole They tell me that in gaol I'll go dry, I'll go dry They tell me that in gaol I'll go dry They tell me that in gaol I shall drink no more small ale But be hanged if ever I fail till I die, till I die But be hanged if ever I fail till I die I rode up Tedburn Hill in a cart, in a cart I rode up Tedburn Hill in a cart I rode up Tedburn Hill, there I stopped and made my will Saying the best of friends must part, so must I, so must I Saying the best of friends must part, so must I Up the ladder I did grope, that's no joke, that's no joke Up the ladder I did grope, that's no joke up the ladder I did grope and the hangman pulled the rope But the devil of a word I spoke coming down, coming down But the devil of a word I spoke coming down Source: Kennedy, P. Folksongs of Britain and Ireland. London: Oak Publications. Notes: Collected from Jack Endacott, Chagford, Devon. 1954. Kennedy Notes: Frank Kidson wrote: 'Jack Hall was a notorious burglar. He was sold when a child to a chimney sweep for a guinea, and executed in 1701. In the eighteen-fifties a singer named Ross sang a version Sam Hall, with a very blasphemous chorus. This drew a big audience of a certain kind.' Another song with the same tune and word pattern is Captain Kidd, executed for piracy in London in the same year. While Hall was hanged at Tyburn, Kidd was hanged in chains in Execution Dock, Wapping. The same pattern was used for Admiral Benbow, who was wounded in action off the West Indies the following year. In the JEFDSS for 1940 there is an article about this pattern of songs, including The Diggers Song of 1649. Following these four songs are others such as The Moderator's Dream (anti-Jacobite and anti-Papal), Ye Jacobites by Name which was improved by Burns), Aikendrum (Ken ye How a Whig Can Fight?), A Young Man and a Maid (a bawdy D'URFEY: 1707), Admiral Byng (executed 1757), the American captain Paul Jones, The Praties they are Small (Irish famine song) and various Welsh and Methodist hymns. Tedburn Hill in this song is a local Devonshire adaptation from Tyburn Hill (near Marble Arch in London) where public hangings took place. Tedburn St Mary is a village not far from Chagford, where the song was recorded. Database entry is here | ||
| Malcolm Douglas |
Posted - 01 Dec 02 - 12:57 am | |
Roud 369, Laws L5 (not L15 as noted in the database). Beside the paper referred to by Kennedy, The Diggers' Song (E.A. White, Journal of the English Folk Dance and Song Society, vol. IV no. 1, 1940; pp. 23-30), there is a useful piece by Bertrand Bronson: Samuel Hall's Family Tree (California Folklore Quarterly, vol.I, no.1, 1942; reprinted in Bronson, The Ballad As Song, 1969). | ||
| masato sakurai | Posted - 01 Jan 03 - 05:39 pm | |
Jack Hall from The Newgate Calendar. Edited By Jon Freeman - 28-Nov-2004 09:46:17 PM | ||
| masato sakurai | Posted - 01 Jan 03 - 10:56 pm | |
Editions in the Bodleian Library collection are: Jack Hall ("My name it is Jack Hall, chimney sweep, chimney sweep ...") Subject: Chimney-sweeps Harding B 15(145a) Date: between 1833 and 1851 Imprint: Birt, Printer, 39, Great St. Andrew Street, Seven Dials Sam Hall chimney sweep ("Oh, my name it is Sam Hall ...") Subject: Chimney-sweeps Harding B 15(274b) Printer: Hodges, E.M.A. (London) Date: between 1846 and 1854 Imprint: Hodges, P[r]i[n]ter, (from Pitt's) wholesale toy and marble warehouse ... 31, Dudley street, Seven Dials Note: Part of a sheet of two ballads; see Harding B 20(27). Sam Hall chimney sweep ("Oh, my name it is Sam Hall ...") Subject: Chimney-sweeps Harding B 20(27) Imprint: Hodges, P[r]i[n]ter, (from Pitt's) wholes[a]le toy and ma[r]b[l]e warehouse ... 31, Dudley street, Seven Dials | ||
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Posted - 28 Nov 04 - 07:10 pm | |
From: guest Regarding the link provided by Masato Sakurai, the site appears to be gone, but can be accessed at archive.org here. | ||
| Jon Freeman | Posted - 28 Nov 04 - 09:43 pm | |
Thanks guest. I have updated that link now. It appears the site has changed from a .org to a .com. | ||
| Jon Freeman | Posted - 01 Dec 04 - 10:58 am | |
I've just been reading a bit in Mudcat. Bruce Olson said: J. W. Ebsworth, someplace in Roxburghe Ballads, said that the "Sam Hall" version came from a singer named Sam Cowell. I don't know the exact date, a little after the middle of the 19th century. It seems unclear whether Ross, credited above, actually wrote a version of Sam Hall although he did sing it. | ||
| Malcolm Douglas |
Posted - 02 Dec 04 - 01:48 am | |
And was famous for it, for a time at least; when it went out of fashion, so did he. G W Ross was a former compositer turned music hall performer; notably at Vauxhall, the Cyder Cellars and the Coal Hole during the 1840s. It seems reasonable to suppose that Sam Hall was his own work; a re-write of the earlier Jack Hall. The song doesn't appear to have been particularly associated with Sam Cowell, though it was included in The Sam Cowell Songster around 1850. | ||
| Abby Sale | Posted - 07 Apr 12 - 03:06 pm | |
I got to sing this at our song circle in Raleigh this week and have tried to firm up the date of poor Jack's demise. I'll post the song as I heard it from Tommy Makem in a small concert c.1966. I had no recorder so can only vouch for the chorus as Makem's; the rest will likely be as I already knew the ballad. Text below. The link given to the Traditional Ballad Index has changed - should be http://www.csufresno.edu/folklore/ballads/LL05.html The various ballad versions give little internal data - that he was a chimney sweep, that he was cast into Newgate and that he died on Tyburn tree. It is usually given that Hall was hanged within a few months of Capt. Kidd (May 23, 1701 per "The Complete Newgate Calendar" and "List of Executions; England 1606 Onward,"). The songs were first published some months later but undated so it cannot be told which was the chicken. Now - I cannot find any exact date for Hall. There are several Sam and Jack Halls executed but none in 1701 I can find. There's one in 1707 and Wikipedia therefore declares Kidd was executed in 1707 as well. That's unlikely and worse still, would seem to make Benbow, dying 1702, the earlier of the versions. Has anyone a better source of English executions and a firm month, day and year for Mr Hall? Sam Hall Oh my name it is Sam Hall, it is Sam Hall, Oh my name it is Sam Hall, it is Sam Hall, Oh my Name is Sam Hall, and I hate you one and all, You're a bunch of buggers all. God Damn your eyes... Blast your souls... [approx. 1/2 beat pause] Bloody hell.......... [approx. 1/2 beat pause] Shit! [1 beat pause or more. Sung "affirmatively"] Oh I killed a man they said, so they said, Yes, I killed a man they said, so they said, Oh I killed a man they said, and I left him there for dead, I split his bloody head. God damn his eyes... So they put me in the quad, in the quad, Oh they put me in the quad, in the quad, Yes they put me in the quad, and they said, "you'll hang, by God," All right I'll hang, God damn their eyes... And the parson he did come, he did come And the parson he did come, he did come And he looked so bloody glum, as he talked of Kingdom Come He can kiss my ruddy bum, God damn his... And the sheriff he came too, he came too Yes the sheriff he came too, he came too Oh the sheriff he came too, with his boys all dressed in blue Lord, they were a bloody crew God damn their eyes... Now it's up the rope I go, up I go Yes, it's up the rope I go, up I go And those bastards down below, they'll say, "Sam, we told you so." They'll say, "Sam, we told you so." God damn their eyes... I saw Molly in the crowd, in the crowd, I saw Molly in the crowd, in the crowd, I saw my Molly in the crowd, and I hollered right out loud, "Hey, Molly, ain't you proud?" God damn their eyes... I saw my Nellie in the crowd, dressed in blue, I saw my Nellie in the crowd, dressed in blue, Says my Nellie, dressed in blue, "Your trifling days are through. Now I know that you'll be true." God damn her eyes... Now in heaven I do dwell, I do dwell, Now in heaven I do dwell, I do dwell, Now in heaven I do dwell, but it ain't so bloody swell, (Ain't it just one bloody sell)(And it really makes me ill) All the whores are down in Hell. God damn their eyes... Edited By Abby Sale - 07 Apr 12 - 03:24 pm Edited By Abby Sale - 07 Apr 12 - 11:02 pm | ||
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